ARMAGEDDON IS PAST, SAYS THE BIBLE
Review © 2005 Lloyd Kinder
Armageddon was only used in the book of Revelation as a symbol of hope to Jesus' followers during their early persecutions, because several important historic events had occurred there. It's where Deborah and Barak had defeated the Canaanites (Jdg. 5:19), where Gideon had defeated the Midianites (Judges 7), and where Ahaziah and Josiah died in battle (2 Kin. 9:27; 23:29; Zec. 12:11). Revelation was not showing Christians things that would occur in the distant future, such as now in the 21st Century, but "things which must shortly come to pass" in their day and "things which must shortly be done" in the First Century (Rev. 1:1 & 22:6). Thanks to an Apologetics Press website article, Will There be an Armageddon?, by Dave Miller, Ph.D., for this observation. And Miller cited Henry Swete's 1911 book, COMMENTARY ON REVELATION, reprinted in 1977.
"Remember, the Heaven's Gate Cult had a Rapture Theory!" - Lloyd Kinder, 2005
DANIEL'S PROPHECY OF JESUS & END TIMES
In the next five passages from the book of Daniel it is prophesied what Gentile kingdoms would dominate Israel and much of the world until the time of the Messiah.
Dan. 2:44-45 And in the days of these kings
Dan. 7:13-14 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man
Dan. 8:20-21 The ram which thou sawest having two
horns are the kings of Media and Persia.  And the rough goat is the
king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the
So these prophecies accurately predicted that after Babylon there would be successive empires centered in Media-Persia, Greece and Rome, followed by Jesus' reign with his followers, called saints. Then Daniel specified how long it would be until Jesus would come and be crucified, or "cut off."
Dan. 9:24-26 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy
people and upon thy holy city....  Know therefore and understand,
that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build
Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven <7> weeks
... and threescore <3 x 20 = 60> and two <+2> weeks: the
street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
 And after threescore and two <62> weeks shall Messiah be cut
off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince
In the article, Why Daniel 9:27 is Essential to
Understanding Prophecy, at jesus-is-the-way.com/Endtimes927.html, the
author said, "The reason we know that
The Jesus-is-the-way author added, "Here is the ONE
Dan. 9:27 And he
Dan. 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen ... sware ... that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. ...  And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.  Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
I'll try now to clarify the timeline of this prophecy of Daniel.
1. 538 B.C. Daniel's prophecy,
2. 458 B.C. Order to rebuild Jerusalem [80 years after the prophecy],
3. 409 B.C. Finish building Jerusalem after 49 years [7 "weeks"],
4. 25 A.D. Jesus' ministry began after another 434 years [62 "weeks"],
5. 28 A.D. Jesus' crucifixion in the midst of the 70th week, after 3.5 years of ministry,
6. 32 A.D. Peter went to Cornelius 3.5 years after Jesus' crucifixion.
The 70th week appears to refer both to the 25-32 A.D. period and to the 63-70 A.D. period. In both cases the sacrifice ceased, where in the first case the sacrifice was of Jesus and in the second it was the end of animal sacrifices in the Jewish Temple, since it was destroyed. I believe the author of the book, THE LAST DAYS ACCORDING TO JESUS, said the first century Jewish writer, Josephus, reported that Nero had ordered Roman idols to be placed in all temples, including the Jewish temple. This is what the Jews called an abomination of desolation. That book showed that Nero was possibly the antichrist whose number was 666 and 616, according to the Hebrew spelling of his name and title. Nero's order to desecrate the temple occurred a few years before Titus' destruction of the temple. THE LAST DAYS also mentioned that the book of Revelation was finished in 65 or 66 A.D., before the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70 A.D., which it predicted. And furthermore it stated that Josephus had reported that, at the time of the destruction of the temple, most, if not all, of the signs and wonders described in Revelation and elsewhere, such as earthquakes, pestilence, famine, wars and rumors of war, signs in the heavens, false prophets, ungodliness etc, occurred in the final years leading up to the destruction.
Washburn notes in THEOMATICS II that the present
state of Israel is not of the literal seed of Abraham, but of the
Ashkenazic Khazar Jews who came from the Black Sea region and migrated
to Europe in later centuries and then to Palestine after WW2. Ashkenaz
was descended from Noah's son, Japheth, whereas Abraham and the
Israelites were descended from Noah's son Shem. He says Dispensational
beliefs about End Times etc were started by a Jesuit priest in 1812 and
popularized by John Darby, Scoffield's bible, Hal Lindsey and now many
tv evangelists. But this doctrine teaches that salvation for Gentiles
through Christ was an afterthought by God after the Jews rejected
Jesus' physical rule in the first century. Jesus warned that false
doctrines would fool even the very elect, if they weren't careful.
MESSIANIC ESCHATOLOGY, from www.nettally.com/septuagint/messianic.html
The country of Israel allows any Jewish person to
return and become a citizen, but as of late has decided that any Jewish
person professing faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is
You better believe the stage is getting set for an unfolding of
Those that hold themselves out to be the church of the Lord Jesus Christ basically promote three or four end times doctrines, all of which are wrong. ... They directly contradict the sayings of the Lord Jesus Christ contained in the New Testament.
... The more popular end times position ... is a pre-trib rapture,
Let's start with Mat. 13: 24-30 & 37-43 &
47-50. Vs. 24-30 follow. "The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man
which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came
and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Any end times doctrine must line up with the teachings of ... Jesus to be correct.
Let's start with Mat. 13:39. In this verse we see the Lord tells us the harvest is the end of the world
Now in Mat. 13:30 we see that the tares and the wheat
grow together until the harvest. In vs. 39 we see that the harvest is
the end of the world (or age). How can you have a rapture that takes
all of the righteous away from the unrighteous before the end of the
world (age) and still agree with the doctrine of Jesus. You can't. The
tares and the wheat stay together until the end of the world (age),
which does not occur before or during the tribulation. A teaching,
Now of course there is a resurrection and it is on
the last day [See John 6:39-40]. "And this is the Father's will which
hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up again at the last day. ... And this is the will
of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth
on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last
day." When will he raise them up? - on the last day. John 6:44 "No man
can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I
will raise him up at the last day." Again, on the last day. John 6:54 "
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I
will raise him up at the last day." On the last day. So we have
Note he "appointed a day"
Mat. 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some
standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of
man coming in his kingdom."
In Mat. 24:23-27 Jesus warns us about people
deceiving us regarding his return: "Then if any man shall say unto you,
Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise
false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and
wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the
very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say
unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in
the secret chamber; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of
the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of
the Son of Man be."
Christians are being set up to accept the Man of Sin
Now, I need to explain who it is that is going to be
walking through the Eastern Gate in Jerusalem and goes into the Temple
at the onset of the millennium, because we know from these scriptures
this isn't Jesus, although many teach that it is and build their false
doctrines on this false presumption. So who is it? Well why not let the
scriptures speak for themselves? We'll go to Eze. 43:1,4 " And behold,
the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his
voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his
glory." Now to vs. 4 " And the glory of the Lord came into the house
2 Thes. 2:1-4 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day
see, the teaching, having Jesus on earth for 1000 years in the Temple
in Jerusalem, is to set the people up for the man of sin, who does sit
BETTER NEWS ON END TIMES - JESUS ALREADY REIGNS
Vine & Fig Tree [VFT] at www.members.aol.com/vftinc/home/indexheretic.htm, review by L.K.
Luke 19:11-15 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.  He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.  And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.  But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.  And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Micah 4:3-4 ... Nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.  But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.
VFT says the End Times are long past and Christ has been reigning in an everlasting "millennium" ever since, but not of this world, except spiritually. To prove it they say the Old Testament prophecies foretold three events that would take place to inaugurate Christ's reign.
Since all of those prophecies were fulfilled shortly after Jesus' resurrection, Jesus is already reigning, so we need not wait for his second coming. He's returned long ago and is waiting for us to be anointed as his ministers to the world. Following are biblical proofs of the fulfillment of the three prerequisites above.
The New Testament frequently refers to Jesus as King (Mat. 2:2; 21:5; 25:34,40; 26:64; Mark 14:62; Luke 1:32,69; 2:11; 19:38; 22:69; John 1:49; 12:13; 18:37; Mark 11:10; Acts 17:7; 1 Cor. 15:25; 1 Tim. 1:17; 6:15; Heb. 7:2,22; 8:1; Rev. 15:3).
Church tradition continues to deny that Jesus is King and waits for his second coming for his worldly reign to begin, but his kingdom is not of this world, and his spiritual reign already began at his resurrection (Mat. 26:64; Mark 16:19; Luke 22:69; Acts 7:55-56; Rom. 8:34; Ephesians 1:20; Colossians 3:1; Heb. 1:3-13; 8:1; 10:21; 12:2).
Ps. 2:6-9 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.  I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.  Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.  Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
After Jesus told the Pharisees that their accusations of him casting out demons by demonic power was unreasonable, since Satan would be destroying himself, he plainly implied that his kingdom had already arrived and Satan was being bound.
Mat. 12:28-29 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.  Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
Receiving the Holy Spirit, was called receiving the holy waters or rivers of life, and was called anointing for prophets, priests and kings. So anointing symbolized receiving the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:38; 1 John 2:20,27).
1 Pet. 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him Who hath called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
Joel 2:28-32; Acts 2:1-21 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: and on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit, and they shall prophesy
With the sword, called the Scriptures, (Ephesians 6:17; Heb. 4:12), the faithful reign with Christ to call all people to repentance, making his enemies to become his friends (Ps. 47:3; 118:10; 149:4-9; Isa. 11:1-5; 14:2; 49:2; 61:1-3; Hos. 6:5; Luke 4:18-22; John 15:14; 1 Cor. 15:25; 2 Cor. 5:18-20; 2 The. 2:8; Rev. 19:15). Our weapons are spiritual, not carnal (2 Cor. 10:4). "The battle between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent (Genesis 3:15-16) is more than just a battle between the Person of Christ and the person of Satan." It's also a battle between the heirs of Christ and Satan's heirs.
Rev. 3:20-21 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.  To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
I decided many years ago I'm not excessively endowed with brainpower. I can't sing or dance, either, unless you want to count my imitation of Peter Boyle's Monster performing "Puttin' on the Ritz" in Young Frankenstein. My lack of genius is why I envy The Brain (of Pinky and the Brain fame). Although, I'm proud to admit, my head, as a child, was shaped like a lightbulb, just like The Brain's.
Being simple-minded, I seek simple rules. After putting in my time in public schools and college, I realized I had mostly been miseducated (except for a few classes, all of which I can count on one hand, excluding my thumb), and decided I had better find some basics. What I found is that the ancient rules, the ones that have been around for thousands of years, are the ones that work the best. The Ten Commandments, for example, are ten, easy-to-remember bits of eternal wisdom.
"Commandments" is an incorrect translation; "Utterances" or "Words" is much more accurate. I prefer "Laws," as in "Natural Laws." If you break them, bad things automatically happen. No cops are needed. The 20th century was a time of worshipping the false idols of Man and State, in violation of the First Law ("have no other gods but the one true God"). It doesn't matter to me if people believe in any sort of God or not; these Ten Laws still exist, and violation of their practical wisdom brings unhappiness, destruction and death. You can say, "As you sow, you reap," or "What goes around, comes around," or karma ("the moral law of cause and effect") or kismet, or the Tao, or whatever name you want to give it. Those laws are part of human nature. Steal, murder, commit adultery, and give false testimony ... and watch what happens to people and society.
And if people can't do it, it's doubly forbidden for governments (which in a sense don't really exist, since they are composed of people). The big difference is that governments try to claim a monopoly on force, which makes them unimaginably destructive. I've read estimates that up to 200 million people died in the 20th century at the hands of various governments. And all because of the violation of "You shall not murder."
all the wars the U.S. was involved in in the 20th century, not one was
any of our business. W.W.I was a European war; we should have stayed
out of it. Woodrow Wilson (about whom H.L. Mencken wrote, "He thought
he was Jesus Christ") got us into it to "make the world safe for
democracy." It led directly to W.W.II. The Communist FDR manipulated
the Japanese into attacking us
Right now there are a number of people who believe the world - as we now know it - might come to an end soon because of the events in the Middle East. They are entitled to their beliefs. I know a woman who believes aliens kidnapped her and took her eggs. She's entitled to her beliefs, too. Unfortunately, a number of these people are - in the name of God - actively working to achieve Armageddon. And they are trying to do it in some truly strange ways.
This raises the question: how can they reconcile "You shall not murder" with their attempts to bring the world to an end? They can't have it both ways. What a Catch-22! If you follow the prohibition against murder, you can't attempt to end the world. But if you don't attempt to end the world ... no Rapture, no Great Tribulation, no Jesus returning to sit on a throne.
Quite a few fundamentalists today unswervingly support Israel, the reason being they believe the restoration of that country in 1948 fulfills the Biblical prophecies in Ezekiel, Zechariah, and Revelations, and in Matthew and Luke. Therefore, Israel must be supported at all costs, so that the End Times may soon come.
This is why I believe we are involved in a religious war, one that King Dubya ... doesn't really understand. If he did, our policy in the Middle East wouldn't be as it is. This religious war is why there is so much support for Israel among fundamentalists, and such silence on the slaughter over there. (What's that old saying? "Kill them all and let God sort them out"?) To these people, it's all part of God's plan before Jesus returns and gives a whuppin' to the Anti-Christ.
I was King, I would take all the Christians and Jews who support Israel
(and send money there) and deport them all over there. I would do the
same with Muslims here who support the Islamic countries. As it stands
right now, the U.S. government is involved in 4,000-year-old tribal
warfare, and is in fact supporting both sides in the conflict. The
right hand knows not what the left hand is doing. When people move
here, they are supposed to give up their ancient hatreds. If they
don't, we end up being drawn into them. What good can possibly come
One of my friends is half-Polish and half-Russian. I'm Scottish, English, Welsh, Irish, German, and Cherokee. We've decided we should not only hate each other, but also ourselves.
Miller points out there is more evidence in the Bible against this
current version of Israel being the Israel of the End Times than there
is for it. Modern-day Israel was founded by a bunch of atheists and
The Book of Revelations is so vague and symbolic it can be interpreted any way you want to interpret it. There was such bitter fighting over its being in the Bible it was barely included. I've seen people claim it proves flying saucers exist. It would be different if it read, "On 9/11/2001...." On the other hand, "You shall not murder" is so clear no one can argue about it.
There are people in the U.S. and Israel who are on purpose trying to start W.W.III in their hopes to bring the world to an end. If their attempts are not a violation of "You shall not murder," then what is? These people are not working for peace, but destruction. They may think they are following God's plan, but are they?
anyone think I'm speaking against Israel, I'm not. But is not working
for peace over there better than working for destruction ("Blessed are
the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God")? Arabs and
Muslims don't have the ability to start W.W.III; they are reduced to
flying planes into buildings
[Cont. in Ch. 4 end]